I don’t care how you got there. No one has looked at the angle, but I wonder how much of his suicide can be linked to the self-destructive doctrines he held so dear from AA/MA/NA. Might as well admit I’m powerless over my desire to eat strawberries and surrender….and stop eating them. Avoid comparing your journey/your change process to anyone else’s. Before I entered my road to recovery with AA, I got no pleasure from either! I’ve my entire life struggled with various eating disorders and have gone to different rehabilitation centers. I do get it, and I don’t believe it is about me. I think it’s important that no matter what view everyone here has, you can not INFALLIBLY separate out case by case what minute aspects of an individuals/addicts personality, psychological makeup, internal wiring, memories, etc are going to lead them down Path A vs. Lastly, you seem to confuse the concept of psychological/emotion dependence (i.e. The mother is so codependent it would make sense that she would go that far to protect Kaylene from having to raise her daughter. https://www.aetv.com/shows/intervention/season-3/episode-12 Perhaps patients could be put in homes with people who just don’t and never have used or drunk and who just lead normal lives with different activities to learn, but the patients could still go to individual doctors’ appointments and counseling sessions for their own personal mental health issues. I really hope that Kaylee is okay. She does, by choice, attend NA meetings daily…and she absolutely does get those ‘addiction culture’ messages. There are also some people who contact HIV and never get sick, and some who have cancerous tumors that spontaneously disappear. It works if you work it. We are all afraid of something. To the contrary these toxic ‘groupers’ usually truly believe that they are somehow ‘ordained’ in ‘service’ to others by a ‘higher calling’- and will often state as much. You can see followups on a bunch of Intervention subjects by going to the Legacy Updates category. I just simply can’t, won’t, and don’t stop! Even under the influence or with some mental illness working against them, a person or the individuals around them can only try to pick the best method for success. I know there was a lot of talk about the previous season possibly being its last, but it’ll be around for at least another 8 episodes. You don’t seem terribly bright either. That means a lot coming from you. Morris Chafetz, first director of NIAAA, speaking in 1999 on whether the public health model is appropriate for alcohol problems: Genes and Addiction: The Difference Between BULLSHIT and Science. Rest In Peace to Dillon and everyone else lost to addiction. That would be nuts, but now that you say it, it doesn’t seem hard to believe. This is not recovery from a disease, it is a change like any other change in day to day living that people make in their lives. This episode hit me pretty hard. That was one of the most consise…thoughtful and balanced descriptions of what we who are unhelped by 12 Step…AA programs experience that I have ever read. One the house guest’s that i worked with Tiffany also ended up being featured on A&E Intervention. This too is a major message of the recovery culture – it’s their cornerstone – Powerlessness – Disease – etc. A student pilot, an active duty Marine was killed. So let her call herself helpless and knowing she is let her be afraid to go down that route. Wow @ Matt’s comment. All of the episode numbering on Intervention Directory is consistent with A&E’s episode numbering. That’s why I tried countless times to stop drinking. What else is she going to do except deal drugs? The relationship between Kaylene and her mom is twisted! It’s very sad that this story ended so tragically. Trust your inner wisdom. good night. Heres how strong addiction or dependency ISNT. 29% are about alcohol addiction. I got the same impression about her sister. Ohhh. Adams: Autumn: Language Arts: 12014: email. I live about 30 minutes away from Kaylene; once you get outside of Asheville, NC, reality gets grim fast. Her entire goal right now is to just have a good time and get away from all the pain she’s had in her life. This story was so moving. Plus, there is no middle class in the Southern Appalachians. Found this online. This filtering process occurs by the collective group/its individuals by encouraging these troubled types along in emotional maturity and self efficacy -but doing so ‘always’ in a spirit of informed compassion and respect. But it is entirely possible to evolve your drinking preferences. You are full of nonsense. She has a beautiful smile and just a beautiful charm about her. All that said, I have sobered up for months at a time, and get immersed in hobbies, health, etc…but after a while I get bored and just want to get a buzz. I came to the same conclusion…So many viewers can’t be wrong, and pretty easy to reach. We provide these links solely for our viewers' information. View ARiddle- Intervention Role-Play Scenario.docx from SWK 4110 at Aurora University. Reading other peoples posts, I do understand that 12 step facilitation does not work for everyone, but it is an option, and does help millions. There absolutely IS a middle class there. You were a monster and you need help. I want to help people avoid Dillon’s fate. Interventionist: Donna. Updates? Didnt feel great but certainly wasnt debilitating. What’s more, it’s been shown that simply having researchers check in with people, can raise success rates. And that intervention! It is like she has fallen off the earth. Do your own research. Steven Slate After the watching this episode the 20 or more house guest’s at the sober living had a house meeting to discuss this episode of INTERVENTION. Secondly if you watch the show you can clearly see her mother has bandages on her face from obvious surgery. You will also notice some ads for books from Amazon as well, from which I will also earn a commission. The original episode that Dillon was by far my favorite INTERVENTION episode. As this year and decade comes to an end its a time for self-reflection and assessment without judgement where life has brought you in this now moment. Therapy, at the very least, can help. I don't agree 100% with ANY of my favorite authors or ANYONE I retweet or quote in my work. Join Facebook to connect with Kaylene Libre and others you may know. Just came to agree that Kaylee was Kaylene’s daughter. I read she has kids, but is she clean of Methadone? Also, who names their kids names so close together – “Kaylee” and “Kaylene”. Overusing on a relapse is also as common. As I got better and figured out why I had done it, I was less interested in hanging out with people who saw themselves as defective (however sweet they were! It is feeling confident and good about yourself. I’m just hoping and praying she is well, sober and happy. Or nope as in you have some other definition of addiction than what I suggested? Simply being drug free without deeply understanding how you got there and filling that emptiness with yourself is not the best solution. Alot lack courage to call in sick at work, they have their wives do it. She got back with her husband and now has two kids. Its just disturbing, but to many familys around here its quite the norm. I know girls exactly like Kaylene. People commit suicide everyday, and yes it is very tragic! My first few sentences of the post should indicate that I’m not trying to “prove” anything logically with this post – it was meant to provoke meaningful thought and discussion only, and not to serve as proof of any particular claims. AA is NOT for everyone. These healthier groups typically occur, and are sustained, when there is a very dedicated, socially aware, collective group consciousness about disallowing these toxic types to influence negatively or misuse/misrepresent the 12 step traditions. Questions, feedback, just to chat: email me @ dizzy.buzzkill at gmail, Support Intervention Directory on Patreon, https://www.facebook.com/kaylene.banks?__nodl, http://www.blueridgefuneralservice.org/book-of-memories/1642434/Stines-Ruth/obituary.php, https://bustednewspaper.com/north-carolina/riddle-kaylene-dee-banks/20200301-061100/. I seen her today she is well has two kids and is still on methadone but I think she is better then she was. But when she tells me that if were to pick up again, even a single hit of pot, that she believes it would only be a short while till she went back down the rabbit hole I believe her. Maybe you watch too much tv. Whether it was a coincidence or because of AA that when I started to believe in God, I quit! if your sober or are controlling your usage; then good for you. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of any original written material on this website without express and written permission from this blog’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. There is no shame in being powerless over something. The alcoholic might do it that way, a few times. This site is not presenting a model of "recovery" because addiction is not a disease from which one can recover. After so many years of neglect, can Kaylene’s family finally step up and help her get the live-saving treatment she so desperately needs? This indicates to me that although you said you didn’t “enjoy drinking” you still received a reward from it…Rewards are not always pleasant. I don’t remember Kaylene mom saying she did drugs w her. She then covers it up and spends her life trying to make up for it. But that’s my need to be of use to somebody else to feel as though I matter. I hope she’s been able to stay sober. just wanted to move wherever she was living and take care of her and teach her about how to stay clean. As in, it hinges on ‘evidence’… ‘actual’…’can be proven’. There’s a lot fewer people dying in sobriety than dying in active addiction. Maybe there needs to better recovery models, or more effective treatment, but the fact is, right now it’s not available. I want them to know that they’re not doomed, and that they can solve their problems. I walked away from anything I was doing like it was taking out a bag of trash. Some of you might be wondering whether I know about all the scientific proof that addiction is a brain disease. 23.8k Followers, 706 Following, 319 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from ☆*:.｡. It’s like you’re just bitter that others are getting well without AA or something. It impedes your judgement and triggers something in you. I have a relative who has just returned from rehab and is doing better than he has ever done. Why are you so cruel? How so? The mother clearly has problems as well. If there is deviation to this, they will not stay sober and their addiction will KILL THEM!! OH, and by the way, I have never been arrested for anything!!! View the profiles of people named Kaylene Libre. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Steven Slate and The Clean Slate Addiction Site with appropriate and specific direction to the original content. Here is an article on Moderation. His page is also not really active since 2015. Check the video of this recent local news report (I saved the video and put it up on my youtube account because someone already removed a clip of his Intervention episode, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the original of this news report video gets taken down too): Notice what Dillon says at the end of the video: I did more drugs when I got back from rehab, than I did before I went in, because, I wasn’t done using”. I don’t know that I believe addiction is a disease but to suggest the addicted should just go on until they are done doing what they are going to do is to suggest that their loved ones should just continue to bear the worst of their behavior. Are you agreeing that anyone who gets well without AA didn’t have The Disease? But whatever, if it was, I still go. There are so many variables to the stat garbage. And, that it’s “only a matter of time before they fail and become active, hopeless drunks and addicts once more”. Reading any particular article on this website will not force you to change. This is not to be confused with him implying that people should not engage inpatient/outpatient treatment. The fact that you think her little sister is her daughter is neither here nor there. It may not work. Last night she called and apologized to her sister. I was really moved by her and hope her and her little sister and mom have had some healing and are healthy and happy happy. I myself have a sister who is 14 years younger than me. I have no children (by choice – eww-gross) and own my own house free and clear (thanks rich family). If NA and god helps you get there …good. 685 Followers, 480 Following, 204 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Kaeleen Brave (@bravekaeleen) Does anyone know how What about the others who have successfully completed the rehabs they have started through this program? In my early recovery I watched the the episode of INTERVENTION that Dillon was featured in. In what way are you “powerless” over drugs and alcohol? But then again, she was born when kaylene was still 14. Certainly, everyone who undergoes an intervention and treatment on the A&E network’s popular television show Intervention doesn’t commit suicide, but this guy in the video below did, and maybe we should think about what he was taught in rehab. It seems like the common AA response of “They never really had The Disease, then” when you tell an AAer about someone who get clean without AA. That’s simple logic. Where else do people share so openly about their humanity? Official Synopsis: As a child, Kaylene was physically abused by her father. Rewards can be the reward of familiarity, comfort, consistency, false sense of security, relaxation, ease in social situations, escape from what plagues an individual…and so on….So point is, there is always a reason an addict feels they cannot stop but ultimately it does seem overly simplified to neglect that a choice has to be made from getting the substance, preparing it, picking it up and ultimately putting it in the body…in those steps is where addicts are often taught they are powerless. omg.. lol. Kaylene is a beautiful girl. I was addicted to just about everything, tho. I would suggest that the research and statistics on relapse from AA and NA alone support your thesis. instagram 107 Melvin Lane Williamston, SC 29697 864-847-3500 Fax: 864-847-3502 We are passionate in creating and inspiring lifelong learners to successfully reach their potential and fulfill their dreams. They learn that they can’t change. P.S. It just is what it is. View the profiles of people named Kayleen Rickle. I thought the same about kaylee and kaylene; hoe Ed, my sis and I are 15 yrs apart. – how do people still believe in religion in this day and age? Drug use is a symptom maybe but not a disease. http://www.LeavingAA.com. Didnt need anyone to help me. If I break out in hives every time I eat strawberries and I’m miserable, why would I keep trying to eat them over and over again? Much love to all, The 12 steps of recovery are the only proven method for long term recovery.I didn’t make that up .Treatment centers are businesses they are not AA.My addiction was to alleviate pain .the more pain I felt the more I used.the more I used the more painful my life felt.I AM powerless over alcohol and drugs ,once I start I can’t stop .PERIOD.Never been arrested ,no criminal record I was dying on the inside.The 12 steps are where you find the power to recover from a hopeless state of mind and body,to tap into a power greater than myself because I couldn’t keep me sober.ABSTINANCE is not SOBRIETY. I would love to hear a real update on her. I believe there has been at least one other person featured in this series who committed suicide at some point after rehab. Thanks for letting me share RIP Dillon, P.S. it just seems like it was her daughter. ‘Cognitive’ will not provide the fatty calories that ‘feed’ that fear/catastrophic-based thinking/ prophesying that results from compromised self image, and very depleted sense of self-efficacy. Looking at her parents, they look a tad old to be having young children. I think the dad was the root of all the problems. If I get into a long winded discussion, I will just be wasting my time, because whoever analyzes it will pick it apart and try to make me feel like an idiot. Menu of options….That’s the ticket! You’ll know when it’s time to move on to that something else. I didn’t like the idea of having a sponsor, and to be truthful I didn’t relish the idea of hanging around people just as rotten as I was. Because don’t blame the disease people, blame the recovery process that has a significant success rate…. It’s just a ‘fact’. To Dillon’s parents: so did I, and so have countless people. The Annual inspection was completed September 19 2002. She was such a funny and intelligent little girl. Whatever you spin it and want it to mean, buddy. If you have read the studies please provide them so we know you’re not just blowing smoke. I won’t pretend to know. It is extremely difficult for me to see 12 steps as hurtful or harmful, when it has changed my life so drastically. Smfh Kaylene never stood a chance with that fucked up family. Because being honest with an addict clearly only serves to MAKE them use again. You’re pretty cool. I live only a few hours away from where she is from and the person above who said there are no opportunities here is completely correct. I think the merit of the steps themselves (some of which I am very comfortable to say that I believe need to be re-tooled/reworded as a result of evidence-based advances in neuroscience in the last 3 decades) are often eclipsed by the toxic agendas of ‘some’ of the individuals who end up in AA peer groups, or other similar peer-based groups. Allen: Brent: Assistant Principal: 12002: email. I guess both questions are right. But is that a “craving”? I always root for people to change…her case is no different. So you must be using some utterly bizarre definition of either the word “know,” the word “fact,” or the word “addiction.” Or some combination thereof. that kaylee was her daughter. The most heartfelt and honest apology I have ever heard from anyone. Per your own example you tried casually drinking…okay, well you can’t casually drink. Thank you for being honest! I am an alcoholic and I was extremely put off by AA. I decided I no longer wanted to pay exorbitant monetary costs. You have the ability to make the change you desire. Wow Derek! . UNFREAKING believable. And these concepts do not only apply to alcohol. Spent 20 yrs drinking smokin weed meth coke etc. I just happen to disagree with you and your stand on 12 step. Its not about being cool. As a child, Kaylene was physically abused by her father. The disease trip is bullshit. Certainly, everyone who undergoes an intervention and treatment on the A&E network’s popular television show Intervention doesn’t commit suicide, but this guy in the video below did, and maybe we should think about what he was taught in rehab. It may. I'm well aware of the scientific facts and their misinterpretation. Suicide is something people choose because they believe it will be better than continuing living. Who am I hurting being powerless over drugs and alcohol? Matt – What does that even mean? Ugh… mom can’t get into a relationship because Kayline might get jealous? This is a simple explanation, and provides an out for the person who feels they might need a change – explore your options and choose to find a life that makes you happier than excessive substance use. Does it pain you that I am powerless over drugs and alcohol, Derek? ?…your misinformed. Hope she’s doing better and is able to be a good mom. Whoever wrote this article is a fucking idiot and I hope they relapse and die. Would love an update too, hope she’s doing well! I think the approach to recovery needs to be more individualized. If cheese wiz and kittens do it, fine by me. I have compassion for addicts but knowing how their games work, I give them no excuses. Mom was 38 when she had her, and I treated her like she was my own child, hell I still do! There is no work and no opportunities, and she does not appear to be educated. Although the fuel pump was found operational, it was not approved for aviation purposes. Anthony…Maybe your had the choice to quit , but I didn’t. She seems like someone I would probably be friends with in real life. Because it is a worthy, deserving space…even if it’s in somewhat of a renovation process:0) Besides…All of our head spaces should be in some form of reno aimed at expansion:0) That’s what we are here for…GROWTH. I never chose to ruin my familys’ lives with my addiction, but I did choose to get help for it!!! If a person sincerely gives the NA/AA or any other 12-step program a try and doesn’t like it, your misery will promptly be refunded. Theres nothing keeping people doing drugs except pain and pleasure. Guilt trip much! I have, however, hurt and annoyed a lot of people verbally/emotionally over the years when I get really drunk. I read your original post and some, but not all, of the comments and responses. I don't think I'm unique in this, but it needs to be said now & then amidst our trend towards groupthink. Simple solution: Respectfully kick these toxic types out of your sphere of influence…Or at a minimum, limit your exposure to them. Hopefully though, you will find some information that helps you to believe that change is possible for you - that it is within reach. There is tremendous disparity in the distribution of skilled Human Resources for the mental health area over the world. So why not provide us with the studies you claim are out there…. Nope…. For each episode, a licensed therapist recommends treatments and facilities based on the specific needs of the addicts who participate. Also, the recovery process “has a significant success rate…..”. He could’ve learned a view of addiction that made sense and was helpful, if he’d been exposed to some other ideas. Make your own website and spew your nonsense there. Very famous and tragic (but when aren’t they tragic?) Classroom Management Matrix Jaicee Higuera, Kaylene Teter, Lauren Thomas, and Nicole Negrete Part 1: Classroom Management Strategies Examples of Misbehavior or Disruptive Behavior Research and identify five possible misbehaviors or disruptive behaviors that could occur in the inclusive classroom. Liity Facebookiin ja pidä yhteyttä käyttäjän Kayl Ridle ja muiden tuttujesi kanssa. POLL: What Did You Think of The Heroin Hub. Are you in a happy/unhappy place? Most people can say, oh, I’ll have a couple of beers and then call it a night. While there are factors such as genetics, predisposition, trauma, and mental illness, the recovery culture needs a drastic overhaul. Now Kaylene is a 21-year-old who oozes sweetness and charm but who is unafraid to die and will stop at nothing to get her next fix. Ask yourself honestly was it the disease of addiction that killed him or aa/na principles. It’s a process that takes as long as it takes. I agree with most of the comments on here. I got a lot out of my 18 months in AA and NA. Can you provide proof of what you’re saying PLEASE. It’s when we admit that we are… That we can gain some level of control…not over that thing but our behavior. Can’t wait to here the response. Personally, I was told relentlessly at my first rehab that I hadn’t had enough yet, wasn’t done yet, and that I’d be shooting up soon – and I conformed to that message, starting to use drugs intravenously within a week of leaving rehab! If this is because of NA then bless them because her poor sister deserved to hear it. Join Facebook to connect with Karlene Riddle and others you may know. That is what I am now working to regain a sense of myself and my life from. I just hope she gets away from them and that town. Now imagine having an entire tv crew document your plight – that may also raise success rates – or perhaps it installs a crushing pressure! Later, she and her mother began using coke together. But, I also have seen a number of individuals who ended up developing increased ‘clinical’ signs of destabilization, stress, anxiety, depression and lessening sense of self efficacy as a result of their participation in 12 step peer groups. Smoke outside!!! When you think it’s worked, you attribute success to those words and ideas, but when it doesn’t work, then it’s just “relapse happen” and “the disease of addiction took over”??? "Addiction is a choice" - that is, you can choose whether to hold or dismiss every thought and belief that motivates you to use substances heavily - and thus you can choose whether to continue any pattern of substance use or not - at will. Here's my critical analysis of the brain disease model of addiction. Are you suggesting that your body consumes these substances against your own will? It’s just not that complicated-His point. We try to be in control of everything from day one. “I was young.” What a horrible excuse. I’d also point to the genius writer David Foster Wallace, who was heavily ensconsced in 12-Steppism and did a stint in rehab back when he was a grad student. Thanks! By the disease? The next part of Dillon’s statement which is instructive is this: Shortly after that I realized that I had no power over my addiction whatsoever. I was taking 80mg of oxycontin a day for 5 yrs. © Steven Slate/The Clean Slate Addiction Site, 2010-2021. DVIS text line: 207-777, 8 p.m. to 1 a.m. (for people who can’t safely get to phone) Mental Health Association of Oklahoma assistance center: 918-585-1213 (8:30 a.m.-5 …

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